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11 أغسطس 2011 الساعة 3:55 م #2456velvetمشرف
Lussina has mentioned the CG cycle in her post on Lisa’s thread. I wondered if looking at the cycle often followed by non-CGs, when they don’t have to, might help someone or instigate debate that would help everyone.
I have gained some knowledge from a CG but the F&F thoughts are mine. I realise I have generalised somewhat but I wanted to draw comparisons in our behaviours.
The CG Cycle
a. The ‘addiction to gambling cycle’ obviously has no starting point. I am therefore beginning with the ‘gamble’. The ‘gamble’ is the ultimate moment for a CG offering the pinnacle of pleasure and excitement. The mobile is turned off and life is put on hold to avoid interruption of pleasure. ‘The Gamble can last a minute or possible go on for days and weeks but the end result for a CG is ‘loss’ because they cannot walk away when ‘winning’. A ‘win’ merely raises the excitement further and prolongs the gamble until the inevitable ‘loss’.
b. The ‘loss’ brings feelings of failure and worthlessness and inevitably – ‘blame’. The CG cannot blame his/her addiction for the loss because to do so would be to accept responsibility for their behaviour, thus the world gets blamed and in particular those closest. Lies multiply to field questions and censure. Anger, depression and resentment build – the CG feels misunderstood.
c. A trigger, a spark, an ignition of excitement as the thought of another gamble takes hold with another chance to win but this time it will be different. All previous behaviour is forgotten – it didn’t happen, here is another chance to clear debts and to prove to the doubters that they are wrong.
d. Enablement is sought, pay day is eagerly anticipated, If enablement or wages are not obtainable, it might be necessary to steal to satisfy the craving but the tool for the gamble, (money) must be found.
e. As time passes and the gamble gets closer there is a palpable excitement – the good period! It builds until the time comes to give reign to the addiction again. Shoes can receive an extra polish on the day, smiles can be bestowed and the countdown commences.
f. The CG, blinkered to reality, sets out to engage in a ‘Gamble’ and the player returns to (a).
Running alongside the CG’s cycle is the F&F, especially the one(s) closest, the probable enabler.
The Non-CG Cycle
a. The loved one is out doing what gives them the pleasure. They are unobtainable. The mobile is off and the answer phone kicks in with the voice that the non-CG wonders if they will ever again hear from a living person. The fear of finding their CG dead in a ditch or in a cell takes over and sleep is lost, food is uneaten, nerves are frayed, strategies planned, tough measures decided upon, misery engulfs.
b. The loved one returns but is not happier for their pleasure. The mood confounds the non-CH who confronts or shrinks away but regardless of which, is made to feel tiresome and at fault, just another problem to cap all the other misery that the CG doesn’t deserve. Strategy and tough measures evaporate and the non-CG accepts the guilt. Love and care is showered on the CG to convince them that life is good if only they ………… but words falls on deaf addicted ears.
c. Things begin to feel better. There is less tension in the air. There is even a smile. Maybe things are not so bad. Memories of good times erase the bad. Logic and reasoning have been tried before and not succeeded so don’t say anything to break the mood.
d. The CG appears to be making an effort. Maybe a bit of trust was all that was needed. Maybe they do need a bit of money for a good evening after all they have looked after the children or the rabbit all day. Don’t rock the boat.
e. The best time. The CG loved one is happy. Not a good time to talk about one’s worries. Enjoy the moment.
f. The Loved One disappears and the mobile is off. The non-CG returns to (a).
It seems to be that the cycle that is easier to break is the cycle of the non-CG. The behaviour that the non-CG is affected by is controlled by an addiction. As the non-CG is not addicted and therefore not controlled, the non-CG has to ‘allow’ the cycle of the CG to affect them and therefore has a choice.
The way I succeeded in breaking my cycle was to become estranged from my CG but I didn’t understand, at the time, about cycles or addiction. I would like to think that I would have broken my cycle, if I had recognised that I had one too, instead of trying to break my CGs.
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4 فبراير 2013 الساعة 3:53 م #2457velvetمشرف
For BB and anyone else it may help
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12 مارس 2013 الساعة 5:43 م #2458velvetمشرف
for Nitenurse who makes divine killer dinners in the face of adversity – well done
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3 مايو 2013 الساعة 11:05 ص #2459velvetمشرف
Hi Mucklow – this one is for you
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9 مايو 2013 الساعة 11:14 ص #2460velvetمشرف
For Building Bridges
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12 مايو 2013 الساعة 9:01 م #2461mmzمشارك
Hi, i am definitely in the F & F cycle, but the question is how to break it?
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6 أغسطس 2013 الساعة 10:28 ص #2462velvetمشرف
Hi Aching Heart
I hope this sheds some light in the darkness for you
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9 أغسطس 2013 الساعة 8:18 ص #2463aching heartمشارك
I am new to this n have been reading a lot I can so identify with this cycle and need to break it I currently have separated from my cg partner u talk about breaking the cycle how can u so this before it reaches seperation
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11 أغسطس 2013 الساعة 12:33 م #2464velvetمشرف
I think you have read this Blublu – but just in case your haven’t – this is for you
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16 أغسطس 2013 الساعة 12:32 م #2465velvetمشرف
this ones for you ckp. I believe all you have described is here. You are in the right place
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1 سبتمبر 2013 الساعة 4:38 م #2466adeleمشارك
We have a number of new members and new threads so I wanted to bring Velvet’s F&F Cycle back up to the top for them … and for me.
I still need reminding that I do not have to feel guilty or be controlled by my CG’s addiction and to be ever vigilant that I do not fall back into the cycle of enablement.
Adele
"… should I give up or should I just keep trying to run after you when there’s nothing there?" Adele on writing Chasing Pavements– 9/2/2013 3:49:35 AM: post edited by adele. -
2 نوفمبر 2013 الساعة 3:23 م #2467velvetمشرف
For James – I hope it helps.
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26 نوفمبر 2013 الساعة 4:53 م #2468velvetمشرف
You are doing well KB and you have worked a lot of this cycle out already. keep posting
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13 مارس 2014 الساعة 5:51 م #2469velvetمشرف
For Sade – because I understand.
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8 أبريل 2014 الساعة 5:31 م #2470velvetمشرف
For Alicyat
You have recognised your CG cycle – I hope this helps
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19 مايو 2014 الساعة 6:15 م #2471velvetمشرف
For Nychantal
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21 أغسطس 2014 الساعة 5:51 م #2472velvetمشرف
For Donna – I hope it helps
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27 أكتوبر 2014 الساعة 2:15 م #2473velvetمشرف
I have brought this up for Tractored but I hope it also helps others to realise that they are not alone – there is no judgement on this site
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18 نوفمبر 2014 الساعة 4:36 م #2474velvetمشرف
For Soph
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13 يناير 2015 الساعة 8:47 م #2475velvetمشرف
For Jessie – hope this helps
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26 فبراير 2015 الساعة 6:31 م #2476velvetمشرف
for Eliza.
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18 أبريل 2015 الساعة 11:35 ص #2477velvetمشرف
For Jordan.
I am writing a post to you at the moment but in the meantime, if you are reading the forum at the moment, I hope this helps to know that I understand
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1 يونيو 2015 الساعة 6:37 م #2478velvetمشرف
For Janel.
Your husband really can change his life.
V
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30 يونيو 2015 الساعة 8:19 م #2479velvetمشرف
For MIchelle7 – hope this helps
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12 أكتوبر 2015 الساعة 10:11 م #2480velvetمشرف
For JLK
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24 نوفمبر 2015 الساعة 11:14 ص #2481velvetمشرف
this one it is for Hammy
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2 ديسمبر 2015 الساعة 4:48 م #2482velvetمشرف
for Elizabeth
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22 ديسمبر 2015 الساعة 8:54 م #2483velvetمشرف
For Sheena
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19 يناير 2016 الساعة 11:19 م #2484velvetمشرف
H Heatherly
Hope this helps
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18 فبراير 2016 الساعة 8:36 م #2485velvetمشرف
Hi Gem
As promised – hope it helps.
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26 مارس 2016 الساعة 5:54 م #2486velvetمشرف
I hope this helps Kary – post again soon
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4 أبريل 2016 الساعة 4:20 م #2487velvetمشرف
For Hello
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25 أبريل 2016 الساعة 11:26 م #2488hope36مشارك
this is eye opening, i am new here. and so many revelations by reading this….thank you so very much. i pray i can continue to be patient in this cycle…..
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15 مايو 2016 الساعة 9:46 ص #2489velvetمشرف
For Lost and Despair
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7 يونيو 2016 الساعة 9:06 م #2490velvetمشرف
this one is for Rocky
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8 يوليو 2016 الساعة 12:20 م #2491velvetمشرف
this time it is for Hannah
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26 يوليو 2016 الساعة 8:48 م #2492velvetمشرف
for jds
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8 أغسطس 2016 الساعة 4:36 م #2493velvetمشرف
For Twh
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23 سبتمبر 2016 الساعة 10:25 م #2494velvetمشرف
For Stacey
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20 أكتوبر 2016 الساعة 11:05 ص #2495velvetمشرف
For Annie
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22 أكتوبر 2016 الساعة 12:30 م #2496velvetمشرف
For Angsty Angie
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24 نوفمبر 2016 الساعة 9:57 ص #2497velvetمشرف
For Soloma
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24 نوفمبر 2016 الساعة 9:58 ص #2498velvetمشرف
Hi Soloma
I’m sorry you didn’t make the group, there was another mum in and it would have been great for you to talk to each other, however, I know life gets in the way.
I hope Worriedmama will come back to you soon but in the meantime I will answer your question as best I can and that is that it is often best not to believe what your son says simply because believing makes you more vulnerable and each let-down is more painful. With this addiction the expression ‘actions speak louder than words’ certainly applies. CGs are the masters of manipulation and words ***** for little.
You have written that he has started to put things in place and maybe these are the actions that are giving you hope. What is he doing that is different?
If your son is a CG, as you believe, then he will always be a CG but he can control his addiction and live the most wonderful life. Likewise if he is a CG he does need the right treatment which can be found on this site, in GA or in GMA.
If you have read Worriedmama’s thread then you will have heard my analogy of the addiction being a beast – it has worked for so many and helped many to realise the importance of looking after yourself.
Do you have other children? There is no need to reply but I have a thread entitled ‘Siblings’ which might help and is not far down the forum list. I also have a thread entitled ‘the F&F Cycle’ which I have brought up for you which will hopefully help you realise how easy it is for F&F to become bound up in the addiction and unwittingly enable the CG.
I hope you will keep posting and please talk about ‘you’ because you matter and even though you cannot save your son you can make a big difference to the choice he makes.
Speak soon
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30 نوفمبر 2016 الساعة 8:35 م #2499Solomaمشارك
Thank you Velvet . Having read this a few times now ,I’m praying I can stay strong and not enable. I feel so scared many times.. but I have support and know I’m not alone
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6 ديسمبر 2016 الساعة 9:04 م #2500velvetمشرف
for Misty when she arrives
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8 ديسمبر 2016 الساعة 3:01 ص #2501howananمشارك
Hi Velvet
I just wanted to let you know I’m back posting on the forum and say hello to you
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17 فبراير 2017 الساعة 9:43 ص #2502velvetمشرف
For Jane
with apology for not remembering to bring it up last nightV
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10 مايو 2017 الساعة 7:51 م #2503lilyمشارك
Sorry. Suddenly stopped letting me post so I couldn’t bring it up before
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26 يوليو 2017 الساعة 11:39 ص #2504velvetمشرف
For Frankie
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3 أغسطس 2017 الساعة 1:39 م #2505velvetمشرف
For Caribbean Blue
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3 أغسطس 2017 الساعة 11:13 م #2506caribbean blueمشارك
I have learned a lot over the past few days and I will refer to this often. Knowledge brings empowerment.
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5 سبتمبر 2017 الساعة 11:54 م #2507velvetمشرف
for Sandy
I hope this helps
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19 سبتمبر 2017 الساعة 7:13 م #2508velvetمشرف
for Northerner because I understand
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22 سبتمبر 2017 الساعة 11:22 م #2509jenny46مشارك
I guess it’s the same for both, each one has to be willing to break that cycle, and that often means taking a very big step back and being able to stand still long enough to recognise our own cycle as well as the cycle of those we think we’re supporting.
The difficulty for me was that it took me years to work out that I was a part of his cycle and he was also part of mine.
Jenny
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30 سبتمبر 2017 الساعة 1:41 م #2510velvetمشرف
For Chalsteve
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24 يناير 2018 الساعة 2:09 م #2511velvetمشرف
For Collections
You are doing well
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24 يناير 2018 الساعة 2:10 م #2512velvetمشرف
Hi Collections
If anybody knew that addiction would be the consequence of innocently gambling, there wouldn’t be a need for a site such as this.
I think you are doing well taking control of your boyfriend’s finances and your boyfriend is lucky to have you on his side.
You cannot save you boyfriend, only he can do that but you can and indeed, you are, supporting him in a healthy way.
I suggest that you download the 20-questions from the Gamblers Anonymous website and ask him to look at them. He is possibly unaware that what he is doing has the power to ruin not only his life but the lives of all those he loves.
I am bringing up my thread entitled ‘The F&F Cycle’ which if hope will help you see the way the addiction goes round and how those who love them can get caught in the loop.
Looking after yourself is incredibly important, if you allow his addiction to control your life then you will be unable to help anybody, so keep your other friendships alive and invest in hobbies and interests that are not gambling related.
It would be great if you could join our live group where we can communicate in real time. Unfortunately I cannot run a group this Thursday so the next one is next Tuesday 30th January between 22.00 -23.00 hours UK time – you will be very welcome.
Speak soon
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29 يناير 2018 الساعة 5:52 م #2513velvetمشرف
For Yellow Brick road
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28 فبراير 2018 الساعة 1:06 م #2514velvetمشرف
For Momchait
Sorry I forgot to bring this up when I finished last night – probably due to the snow! -
10 مايو 2018 الساعة 11:52 م #2515velvetمشرف
For Sunny
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11 مايو 2018 الساعة 8:53 م #2516sunny82مشارك
I see that cycle now. Wow, that is powerful, I am in it not realizing it. I don’t know how to become estranged from my CG and get out of my cycle.
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29 مايو 2018 الساعة 11:04 م #2517velvetمشرف
For BV
As promised
Speak soon -
19 أغسطس 2018 الساعة 1:30 م #2518velvetمشرف
for Clare
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28 نوفمبر 2018 الساعة 1:55 م #2519velvetمشرف
for JLF
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16 ديسمبر 2018 الساعة 1:07 ص #2520Bara29مشارك
This is like reading my husbands diary, could not be more spot on. The question is how do I, the non CG break the cycle?
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2 يناير 2019 الساعة 4:39 م #2521velvetمشرف
for Ngill
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4 أبريل 2019 الساعة 5:32 م #2522velvetمشرف
For Momof2
Hope this helps
V
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18 أبريل 2019 الساعة 11:30 ص #2523velvetمشرف
For August
Because you are not alone
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9 يوليو 2019 الساعة 12:20 م #2524velvetمشرف
For Hesdoingitagain
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21 ديسمبر 2019 الساعة 11:53 م #2525velvetمشرف
Hi Horsegirl
I think this will resonate with you
Velvet
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19 فبراير 2020 الساعة 10:20 ص #2526velvetمشرف
For Miss T
You are right when you say that you need support for you. sometimes it helps to know a bit about what happens to you and your b/f when you are caught up in the whirlwind of an addictionMeanwhile, have a look at some of the other member’s threads – you are not alone.
Velvet
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31 يوليو 2020 الساعة 4:01 م #68603velvetمشرف
For Yeep because I care
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6 مارس 2021 الساعة 10:45 ص #76142panterixمشارك
Cycles, cycles….
I even drew them for myself to have a clearer overview. I was aware that we are running in cycles, but I wasn able to sketche them as accurately.
I used to think that “every time I get on my feet I get punched in the stomach by another gamble”. That’d be phase e).
But, if I broke my cycle would that really impact my CG to break his? Ie to stop his addiction? Or I could just (!) stop hurting myself? -
19 أبريل 2021 الساعة 11:14 م #77131velvetمشرف
Hi KO
I Hope this helps
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22 يوليو 2021 الساعة 8:02 م #78384velvetمشرف
For Darija – you have done well sharing
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7 أكتوبر 2021 الساعة 11:02 م #140503velvetمشرف
For Lind who is doing well
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1 نوفمبر 2021 الساعة 1:18 م #142120velvetمشرف
For Hema – maybe this will help you cope – I hope so
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11 مارس 2022 الساعة 7:55 م #150561velvetمشرف
For Evelyn who wants the madness to stop
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